Occasionally, I take the opportunity to check up on the movement that is Snuffer, just to see how far afield they have wandered. I know some of the people who follow him–believing him to be a prophet of God–and view them as good, sincere people who want to follow Christ. The Jesus-less vacuum that has been created by modern Mormon church and their prophet worship is the environment that has led to people to seek out satisfying alternatives. Unfortunately, their ignorance of the scriptures and their willingness to follow a man who professes audience with Christ, leaves them open to deception that is easily detected when one truly understands the scriptures.
It is, therefore, triply unfortunate that the Snufferite movement is in the process (under the guise of restoring true scripture) of actually taking out plain and precious parts that explain exactly why Denver couldn’t possibly be the privileged one he claims to be, even though he cleverly hides behind a cloak of false modesty. It is no secret that earlier in his “prophetic” career, Denver summarily dismissed Section 110 of the Doctrine & Covenants which is the vision Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery received of the LORD and the prophets Moses, Elias and Elijah. He claimed that there was no corroborating evidence that it was true because Joseph and Oliver never spoke openly about it for the rest of their lives. Recall that the third person account written by Warren Cowdery (Oliver’s brother) was written in Joseph’s journal of 1836 and then there was nothing written after it. Inexplicably, Joseph stopped writing after the vision for an extended period of time. The journals found their way to SLC with Brigham Young and were discovered in the 1850’s. To Brigham’s credit, the vision was published (this time in 1st person) in the 1876 version of the D&C.
In producing their revision of the scriptures (they use the term restoration) Denver instructed his followers to leave out Section 110. However, in a reversal, Denver just recently received a supposed revelation from the Lord that reveals the “true” version of the vision. Here is Denver’s new version, the entire “revelation” can be seen HERE:
I instruct my people to add to their records the following writings:
You have eliminated the account of the revelation of April 3, 1836. Therefore add the following account to your record:
On the third day of April 1836 Joseph and Oliver were in the temple in Kirtland, Ohio, The veil was taken from their minds, and the eyes of their understanding were opened. They saw the Lord in his glory standing above them and the breastwork of the pulpit; and under his feet appeared as it were a paved work of pure gold, in color like amber. His eyes were as a flame of fire; the hair of his head was white like the pure snow; his countenance shone above the brightness of the sun; and his voice was as the sound of the rushing of great waters, even the voice of Jehovah, saying:
I am the Alpha and the Omega; I am he who was slain, I am he who lives; I am your advocate with the Father. Behold, your sins are forgiven you; you are clean before me; therefore, lift up your heads and rejoice. Let the hearts of your brethren also rejoice, and let the hearts of all my people rejoice, who have, with their might, built this house to my name. For behold, I have accepted this house, and my name shall be here; and I will manifest myself to my people in mercy in this house. Yea, I will appear unto my servants, and speak unto them with mine own voice, if my people will keep my commandments, and do not pollute this holy house.
Behold and see: the hearts of thousands and tens of thousands shall greatly rejoice in consequence of theblessingsthat shall be poured out, and the endowment with which my servants will be endowed in this house. Behold: the fame of this house shall spread to foreign lands; and this is the beginning of the blessings I shall pour out upon my people.
Even so. Amen.
As this vision closed, the heavens were again opened to their view, and they saw and beheld, and were endowed with knowledge from the beginning of this creation to the ends thereof. And they were shown unspeakable things from the sealed record of Heaven which man is not capable of making known but must be revealed by the Powers of Heaven.
They beheld Michael, the archangel; Gabriel and Raphael, and divers angels, from Michael or Adam down to the end of time, showing in turns their dispensations, their rights, their keys, their honors, their majesty and glory, and the Powers of their Priesthood; giving line upon line, precept upon precept; endowing them with knowledge, even here a little, and there a little; holding forth hope for the work God was yet to perform, even the revelation of all things which are to come upon the earth until the return of the Lord in glory with His holy angels—to pour out judgment upon the world, and to reward the righteous.
And they were unable to take it in; therefore they were commanded to pray and ask to comprehend by the power of the Spirit, to bring all things to their remembrance, even the Record of Heaven which would abide in them. Amen and Amen.
The first half of the “revelation” up to the first “Amen” is very close to the original with very minor changes. However, the subterfuge starts in the second half which completely eliminates the visits of Moses (to deliver the keys of the gathering of Israel), Elias (to deliver the keys of the Dispensation of the Gospel of Abraham) and Elijah (to declare that the time has fully come as spoken of by Malachi).
The reason, I believe, that Denver wanted to eliminate these passages revolves around his claim that the LDS Church held the priesthood up until the time that he, Denver Snuffer, was excommunicated several years ago. What Section 110 is actually teaching is that the LDS Church was downgraded long before Denver was kicked out. That is the secret and the blindness that are up the restorationist churches, especially the Mormons. The Dispensation of the Gospel of Abraham is a preparatory gospel, not the fulness that Denver claimed to be part of prior to his being EXed. This explains why the Mormons are off in the “wilderness” where the Lord is not speaking to them for a period of time until they repent and accept the true servants who will return with the Melchizedek Priesthood prior to the return of the Savior. Additionally, the scriptures plainly testify that Zion will be redeemed WITH POWER, not through some organic process that is promoted by Snuffer.
The sophistry here is staggering, folks. Section 110 is a true vision and revelation that conveys very important information that has been eliminated by Snuffer. Now he says there was actually a vision but he has eviscerated the true substance and meaning of the visit of the ancient patriarchs by writing their message out of the script. Unbelievable.
Denver also claims to have been given the new name of “David” by the Lord, a clear reference to the Davidic Servant who is to work a great work in the latter-days. I can guarantee you that Denver is NOT the Davidic Servant. He is not the one mighty and strong. He is not going to lead us to Zion. That is the purview of Joseph Smith and him alone (see D&C 101 and 103). The marvelous work and a wonder is a future event, that will happen when the “first laborers” return to fulfill the mission they failed to complete the first time around. The Snufferite movement is doomed to ultimate failure as it seeks ever more to re-write the word of the Lord to suit their own ends. You will also notice, if you follow the link above that he has re-written the revelation that we know as Section 132 on marriage.
I have to hand it to Denver. The hubris and temerity to try to get away with what he is attempting is mind-boggling. By changing scripture he will further lead people away from the truth. I understand the desire for fellowship among those who just want to serve Christ. I applaud the attempts to take care of the poor and be Christians in the truest sense. But PLEASE do not let that desire for community blind you to what is going on.
Snuffer’s sleight of hand smacks of what he really is — a very clever lawyer and an excellent deceiver.
Thank you. Sadly I agree, but I want more too; mpre than we have at present. May God bless your searches.
Unbelievable! I nearly fell out of my chair reading this post, Searcher.
I can’t believe it! I honestly said to myself, “Well if Denver’s new rendition contains valuable information at the end, I will give it a chance. Satan does teache one truth for every ten lies…..”– then BOOM, he leaves out Moses, Elias, and Elijah. Denver can’t even teach one truth for every hundred lies…
Like seriously, you gotta be kidding me. Denver is a joke. This reinforces everything. Praise God we never got sucked into that rabbit hole. I followed Denver’s words back in 2012… just imagine if I’d stayed on that train.
Oh and hey Jonathan Clark Felt! (above commenter) I’ve seen you leave comments years ago. Happy to see you’re still holding to the rod.
Wow. You’re totally right: sophistry, hubris, and temerity. Yikes. I feel bad for the good people caught up in this.
I’ve often wondered if Denver (or “Davey”, as G.azelem has called him, lol) is being deceitful or if he’s been deceived. Either way, woe unto lawyers, I guess.
I jest ruefully; this would be funny if it weren’t so sad.
I believe the testimony of Snufferite, John Pratt, which was in favor of Section 110 as a true revelation, is at least partly responsible for putting enough pressure on Snuffer to fabricate that non-sense.
The Cool-Aid just keeps getting more and more bitter.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2 Thessalonians 2:11
D and C 86:7 Therefore, let the wheat and the tares grow together until the harvest is fully ripe; then ye shall first gather out the wheat from among the tares, and after the gathering of the wheat, behold and lo, the tares are bound in bundles, and the field remaineth to be burned.
David Snuffer pretending to speak for the Lord: And you shall be called the children of the Most High God, and I will preserve you against the harvest And the angels sent to harvest the world will gather the wicked into bundles to be burned, but will pass over you as my peculiar treasure.
So, which is it the wheat will be gathered first or the tares? I think I’ll stick with what the Lord actually said through his real prophet Joseph Smith.
PS sorry watcher I guess your prediction about Davey reintroducing polygamy was wrong.
I hope I am Paul
But it is way to early to tell.
If JS could privately practice it while publicly denying it, David Snuffer can also.
David Snuffer 😂
David John Pack said:
Hello Onewhoissreaching, I found your blog about a month ago I think. It taken some time for me to read many of your post, and they have been quite helpful (with praying as well).
Just the other week I was reading a article (on another website) where some of the comments were in favor of the snuffer movement, and I figured I might want to at least take a look at it. I decided to pray (or did I get a spontaneous answer… ) and was told that although the snuffer movement has truths, there are some critical flaws in it. If I wanted to learn more I could, but to keep an eye out for the problems.
So your post was very helpful to me to understand whet the critical flaw in the snuffer movement is (without having to spend tons of time myself). Thanks for all you do.
David John Pack
I think your experience is very typical. Many people are looking for more than the insipid and unsatisfactory soup of modern Mormonism. It causes them to start looking around for alternatives. Snufferism can be quite appealing to the unscriptured masses. Good luck in your quest.
You are correct in this piece in your assessment of Snuffer, but your misguided in your belief that JS is the ‘one mighty and strong’. He is not. The ‘one mighty and strong’ is God himself. All of scripture speak of this.
Eric. With all respect please back up your assertions with actual scriptural analysis. The blanket statement that “All of scripture speaks of this” does not add to the conversation nor to true understanding without demonstrating how or why.
It’s kind of ironic that you chastised Eric for not giving a scriptural analysis, since you did the same thing in your post. You claimed that anyone who understands the scriptures will see past the deception of Denver Snuffer, but then failed to provide the scriptural analysis to prove it. Where’s the proof?
Sorry for my delay…
Here are a just a few references in the BOM
1 Nephi 21:26, 22:8-12
2 Nephi 6:9-18, 10:13-17, 21:5, 28:5-6, 29:1-3, 30:8
I’ve been waiting for your to reply to Eric’s list of scriptures. I’m also a believer that Joseph Smith is not the one Mighty and Strong. Though I have read many ofyour posts declaring that he is, I am not convinced. I find it interesting that you have not responded to Eric.
Eric. Some of the scriptures you cite refer to Christ as the “Mighty One of Israel” or the “Mighty One of Jacob” which indeed he is. Others are more generic in talking of the strength of the Lord. None talk of him as one “Mighty and Strong.” We need to be careful and precise in our language and not look for things that are not there.
With respect to scriptures that talk of one “Mighty and Strong” there are two that make it very clear that this person is not the Lord:
“And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words; while his bowels shall be a fountain of truth, to set in order the house of God, and to arrange by lot the inheritances of the saints whose names are found, and the names of their fathers, and of their children, enrolled in the book of the law of God;”
This scripture makes it abundantly clear that the Lord is sending this person, thus there is no way it is the Lord himself. Another example:
“Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand.”
This is clearly a servant of the Lord, not the Lord himself.
A simple word search of the term “Mighty and Strong” should lead you to these conclusions based on scriptural language.
While I can understand why someone wouldn’t buy that the mighty and strong one is Joseph Smith coming around for the second time, I don’t see how you can draw the conclusion that it is Lord speaking of himself when it is clearly not—the one Mighty and Strong is a servant of the Lord, not the Lord himself based on these scriptures.
When I read Denver’s revelation, a lot of the words God supposedly spoke to Denver seemed odd to me so I searched for them and some of the weird phrases, in the scriptures.
The following were some of the ones I thought odd and have never appeared in any other scripture according to my searches:
jarring (jarrings was used once but in a different way)
hen gathers her chicks
sword will not devour
confident of my love
Kind of odd God would use so many new words and new phrases, don’t you think?
T Dennis said:
I guess continuing revelation is not welcome here either…
Have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof…
Not sure why you’re even bothering with religion…
Revelation from God today would be just, plain crazy…
This post gives a good description of some of the major questions the movement can not and will not answer about Denver: https://awakeandariseandgoforth.blogspot.com/2017/10/the-test-of-those-claiming-to-have.html
Here is something I wrote regarding Denver’s Alma 34:34 change https://seekingyhwh.com/2017/05/20/denver-snuffers-alma-3434-change/
R. Metz said:
Interesting is your account of how the Denver movement is handling section 110 of the Doctrine and Covenants. This constitutes a perversion of the word of the Lord.
I advise you check a lecture on youtube by Ron Barney on this topic (and other matters), which sheds more light on how this section came incorporated into this standardwork of our religion:
In particular the part from 29.01 to 35.10, but I suggest you listen to the whole lecture because it also gives more insight on – for instance – the restoration of the Melchizedec Priesthood by Peter, James and John.